Excellent point. Even in governments which commingle secular and
   religious interests - often traditions held-over from times long
   past (England is prime example but there's others)- the secular
   components of such are more-or-less equatable to the secularism
   enjoyed in the USA and a few other countries which have nearly
   the same setup. To me, I credit exactly what you said there:
   "the distinction still exists to the non-stupid". Diplomacy is a
   great example of a working secularism in action.