It's part-of but it's incomplete. If it remains incomplete for the foreseeable future, it's not Science yet. If it's not Science yet, what is it? It needs another category. Incomplete is no longer enough. Maybe metaphysics is the wrong category. But if it's going to be considered Science, the caveats need to be spelled out very very clearly, otherwise OTHER fields than just physics will take advantage of this way of thinking as well and trust in Science will be lost. The trust is one of its strongest factors. Why was it important for this discussion to take place? To gather philosophers and theoretical physicists together into a three-day conference? It's not without a reason. == Yes, that's the danger that Science faces at present. It's at a point where Science becomes Theology. It will lost the public trust... and funding.. if that happens. === Physics and metaphysics have always been married together. Age of Reason they began to split. Improvements in the Scientific method. Modern Science was once Natural Philosophy. Modern science is a branch of philosophy. Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy. During the logical positivist era, it seemed possible that, with reason combine with scientific methodologies, metaphysics could be tossed into the dustbin. But as we reach areas that go beyond verification, Physics - and the Science family it is a part of, needs to temporarily rejoin its parent Philosophy for a short time in order to regroup and restructure in some way. Then it can return to business-as-usual. == We need to then discuss the physical causes of mathematics. That leads us into cognitive science and the physics of that. It's not turtles all the way down perhaps, but there are always deeper levels to go. == Well, I don't know if they're bunk or not, but I'll definitely agree that they don't belong in Physics as it currently stands. Now we just have to tell the whole Science channel and most of the Science popularizers that. ==