It's such a part of Western Civ (and really the world's now) way
   of thinking, that it's hard to "imagine" without it. [images /
   forms / ideals - this eternal, never-changing alternate reality
   where the perfect forms of everything is and we draw from it for
   our fallen reality is] - all his. = I never read him much
   directly - just 8-bit philosophy, a little stuff in high school
   although most of it I learned in studying "what's wrong with
   plato" rather than what's right with him, so I sorta learned in
   reverse. == I'm just thinking Plato here - ultimately, I don't
   think images or words have any primacy - neither does music or
   any other form of inward or outward expression. I think our
   comprehensions are all analogies in the end - part of our
   process of cognition rather than alt universes and such. == A
   deep comprehension that doesn't have applicable words, images,
   sounds or analogies to make. "Oneness" experiences are like
   that. Nothing to compare them to - that's why they sound weird
   when people try to describe them. ==