Ah, that's when you have to reach the next step: When you KNOW the other person KNOWS already why they're doing it but they're choosing to behave the same way anyhow. That frustration: That they know better - you know they know better because you've talked about it and it's clear they 'get it' - IS maddening. smile emoticon This is why I focus on improving who I consider "smart people". I can't fix everybody. But people who already know better - or who are easily CAPABLE of knowing better, while harder because they usually ALSO have bigger egos about their self-knowledge... is, I think a better use of my time.