Great thoughts. Had a good raver friend in the mid 90's and while Exstacy got him started, once he dropped the drugs, he continued with the PLUR concept and is happily married leading a happy life. We're not in contact but once a year - but he embraced it totally and I always had the highest respect for him in the way he treated everybody with respect, kindness - and he didn't have in/out circles - everybody was his friend in his mind. Man, now I have to see if he's on facebook. "