drunkie unkie! that's great deb! thanks pam - i do what i can - one thing I've done many times is i've taught nieces + nephews + friends' little brothers/sisters chess over the years 'cause even though I don't really play chess much, i believe it helps you learn to think 'a few moves ahead" - you're not just concerned with what you have to do, but you have to think of many DIFFERENT responses the other may make, and then how you would respond if they do this or if they do that. I think it keeps you from stereotyping friends + family + people in general. (helps you realize the complexity of people's responses and how you can deal with them). "