From: "Gopher-Project" <gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org> Date: Fri Dec 19 02:40:13 2014 Subject: Re: [gopher] cgod - a new prototype gopher daemon --===============6956975002026220127== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; --===============0554339392== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============1274247486==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============1274247486== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Ik5hbWUgVGhhdCBUdW5lIiB3aXRoIGNvZGUgaXNu4oCZdCB0ZXJyaWJseSB1c2VmdWwsIGhvbmVz dGx5LiBCdXQsIGl0IGNhbiBiZSBkb25lIGluIGEgZmV3IGtpbG9ieXRlcyBvZmYgQyBiaW5hcnku IChSZW1lbWJlciB0aGUgcnVudGltZSBzaXplIGZvciB0aGluZ3MgbGlrZSBQeXRob24gb3IgUnVi eSBvciBQZXJsLCBiZWZvcmUgdGhpbmtpbmcgYWJvdXQgc2F5aW5nICJ0aGF0J3MgdG9vIGJpZyEi KQoKTm8sIEkgaGF2ZW7igJl0IHdyaXR0ZW4gc3VjaCBhIHRpbnkg4oCOc2VydmVyIG15c2VsZiwg 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But, it can be done in a few kilobytes off C binary. (Remember the r= untime size for things like Python or Ruby or Perl, before thinking about s= aying "that's too big!")</div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial= ; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); t= ext-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div s= tyle=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro',= sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color= : rgb(255, 255, 255);">No, I haven=E2=80=99t written such a tiny =E2=80=8Es= erver myself, but as Gopher is such a simple protocol, the Gopher equivalen= t of thttpd would be even smaller than that binary. </div><div style= =3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', san= s-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rg= b(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial;= font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); te= xt-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I just think we h= ave better things to do with our time than "I did it in a 1041 byte ELF bin= ary I crafted in assembly by hand, including the ELF header!"</div> = = <div style=3D"width: 100%= ; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color:= rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255= );"><br name=3D"BB10" caretmarkerset=3D"INVALID" class=3D"markedForCaretMar= kerRemoval"></div> = = <div style=3D"font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-= serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(= 255, 255, 255);">Matt<br><br>-- <br>Matt Lewandowsky<br>Big Geek<br>Greenvi= olet<br>matt@greenviolet.net http://www.greenviolet.net<br>+1 415 578 5782 = (US) +44 844 484 8254 (UK)<br>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> = = = <table width=3D"100%" style=3D"background-= color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan=3D"2" style=3D"fon= t-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);= "> <div id=3D"_persistentHeade= r" style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, = 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB= Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Matthew Ho= levinski</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, December 18, 2014 17:32</div><div= ><b>To: </b>Gopher Project Discussion</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Gopher Pro= ject Discussion</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gopher] cgod - a new prototy= pe gopher daemon</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style=3D"border-= style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-wi= dth: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(25= 5, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id=3D"_originalContent" style=3D""><div dir= =3D"ltr">So who has built the smallest gopher compliant server executable?<= br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, = Dec 18, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Kevin Veroneau <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma= ilto:kevin@veroneau.net" target=3D"_blank">kevin@veroneau.net</a>></span= > wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Personally for a gopher server,= I like it build in a compiled language like C, and for the ability to run = it from inetd. Since my gopher traffic is rather minimum, I don't feel tha= t I need a gopher process running all the time taking up resources other ap= plications could be using.<br> <br> I love Python and it is my go-to language for almost anything under the sun= . I've been a hardcore Django web dev for years now. But for a gopher ser= ver, I'd rather opt for minimalizm. Which is why I choose mgod over the ot= her gopher servers available.<br> <br> It is nice however that you managed to create a new Gopher server in Python= . Maybe one day if my Gopher traffic becomes demanding enough will I move = off of an inetd solution.<br> <br> I also use Bitbucket, and previously built a Pythonic API to their REST API= . As noted in a previous email, I am planning on making SCM gateways for G= opher, one of them being Mercurial. My first one will of course be my favo= rite SCM, good old classic Subversion. These gateways will be made in Pyth= on of course.<br> <br> I may consider using a Python based Gopher server if running Python apps on= top of it were seamless. Right now with mgod, each Python script is forked= , so it sort of limits the sort of Gopher apps I could potential build.<br> <br> For example, it would be cool if said Gopher server was very extendable via= custom Python apps. Similar to how Django has an Apps system and url disp= atcher. So rather than forking, the code is already in memory. It would b= e a perfect server for hosters like me who only host their own site. I cou= ld see apps being made for various gateways, and multihosting using the cla= ssic tilde.<br> <br> Those are my thoughts and opinions.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>= <div class=3D"h5">On December 18, 2014 1:29:59 PM MST, James Mills <<a h= ref=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shor= tcircuit.net.au</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p= adding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Anyway... :) Now that' this thread has turned into all abo= ut donwloads and tools...<div><br></div><div>Let's get back on topic -- I b= uilt a new prototype gopher daemon</div><div>ih a high level language :)</d= iv><div><br></div><div>IHMO pygopherd is a bit old in the tooth :)</div><di= v><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>James<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_= extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;= color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"= >James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></fo= nt><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E: <a href=3D"mailto:prolog= ic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prol= ogic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-family:'= courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W: </spa= n><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font-family:'cou= rier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">pr= ologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:19 AM, James Mills= <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" targ= et=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote= class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli= d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span><br><= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Kim Holviala <sp= an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kim@holviala.com" target=3D"_blank">ki= m@holviala.com</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>You= =E2=80=99ll get more downloads and people looking at your code if you don= =E2=80=99t force everyone to install some app called =E2=80=9Chg=E2=80=9D. = What is it, btw?</div><span><font color=3D"#888888"></font><div><font color= =3D"#888888"></font></div></span></blockquote></div><br></span>Git's compet= itor :)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra= ">mercurial and git started out at about the same time</div><div class=3D"g= mail_extra">but IHMO (and everyone else's) git onw out</div><div class=3D"g= mail_extra">the popularity contest :)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><= /div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">cheers</div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><= /font><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><font color=3D"#888888">James</font></div>= </span><span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><span s= tyle=3D"border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br= ><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><fon= t face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><font face=3D"'courier new', monospace"= >E: <a href=3D"mailto:prologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb= (0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span>= <div><span style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,1= 36);font-size:13px">W: </span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.= net.au" style=3D"font-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:r= gb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></= div></div> </div></span></div> </blockquote></div></div> <p style=3D"margin-top:2.5em;margin-bottom:1em;border-bottom:1px solid #000= "></p></div></div><pre><hr><span class=3D""><br>Gopher-Project mailing list= <br><a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org" target=3D"_bl= ank">Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org</a><br><a href=3D"http://lists.= alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project" target=3D"_blank= ">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-project</a= ></span></pre></blockquote></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888= 888"><br> -- <br> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.</font>= </span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br> Gopher-Project mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Gopher-Project@lists.alioth.debian.org">Gopher-Project@li= sts.alioth.debian.org</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gopher-p= roject" target=3D"_blank">http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li= stinfo/gopher-project</a><br></blockquote></div></div> <br><!--end of _originalContent --></div></body></html> --===============1274247486==-- --===============0554339392== Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCTAHBgUrDgMCGjCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCClowggUpMIIE EaADAgECAhA/fUsLnTbD4Z1d3neR1oEeMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIGTMQswCQYDVQQGEwJHQjEb MBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxmb3JkMRowGAYDVQQKExFD 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