From: "Gopher-Project" <gopher-project-bounces+rachael=telefisk.org@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Date: Thu Jan 1 14:11:29 2015
Subject: Re: [gopher] Hello, world!
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I've added my 2c worth :)
cheers
James
James Mills / prologic
E: prologic@shortcircuit.net.au
W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Nick Matavka <
n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have given your suggested changes due consideration, and I have decided
> to implement the majority of them. Ciprian, please inform me if there is
> anything else that lacks clarity.
>
> For anyone who has come into the discussion late, please note that the
> updated file is available at http://piratepad.net/gopher
>
> Edward Matavka
>
> On 31 December 2014 at 06:07, Ciprian Dorin Craciun <
> ciprian.craciun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick Matavka
>> <n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I
>> re-submit
>> > the same link. Please edit it and comment to the best of your
>> ability. I
>> > hope to actually submit this in the near future.
>> >
>> > http://piratepad.net/gopher
>>
>>
>> I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (and
>> proposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.
>> They can be found at the following link:
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal
>>
>>
>> (Disclaimer: I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during the
>> "golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, neither do
>> I actively run a Gopher server. However I did read Gopher's history,
>> and early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.
>> Moreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,
>> and I do have a computer-science / research background.)
>>
>>
>> Regarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to
>> follow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version. Perhaps the
>> document can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then
>> exported to HTML for readability. Moreover the sections (and / or
>> actual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them
>> while commenting (without modifying the actual text). (Obviously when
>> removing an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)
>>
>> Regarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like Git
>> or Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to
>> proper diffs, history, and especially merges. Moreover using
>> something like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing and
>> automatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.
>>
>> (I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to
>> RestructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and
>> preparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the
>> document as HTML.)
>>
>> Hope it helps,
>> Ciprian.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I've added my 2c worth :)<div><br></div><div>cheers</d=
iv><div>James</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_signature"><span style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;colo=
r:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px"><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Jam=
es Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"></font><=
font face=3D"'courier new', monospace">E:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:pr=
ologic@shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,204)" target=3D"_blank">=
prologic@shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:'courier new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W=
:=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au" style=3D"font=
-family:'courier new',monospace;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,204)" =
target=3D"_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Nick Matavk=
a <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com</a>></span> wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I have given you=
r suggested changes due consideration, and I have decided to implement the =
majority of them.=C2=A0 Ciprian, please inform me if there is anything else=
that lacks clarity.<br><br>For anyone who has come into the discussion lat=
e, please note that the updated file is available at <a href=3D"http://pira=
tepad.net/gopher" target=3D"_blank">http://piratepad.net/gopher</a><br><br>=
</div>Edward Matavka<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=3D=
"h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 December 2014 at 06:07, Ciprian D=
orin Craciun <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ciprian.craciun@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">ciprian.craciun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Nick =
Matavka<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I now believe that consensus *can* be established and therefore I re-s=
ubmit<br>
> the same link.=C2=A0 Please edit it and comment to the best of your ab=
ility.=C2=A0 I<br>
> hope to actually submit this in the near future.<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"http://piratepad.net/gopher" target=3D"_blank">http://pirat=
epad.net/gopher</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</span>I've given the document a quick read, and made a few comments (a=
nd<br>
proposals) that I think would fit nicely in an updated Gopher RFC.<br>
They can be found at the following link:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://wiki.volution.ro/CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/=
Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.volution.ro/=
CiprianDorinCraciun/Notes/Public/Gopher/RfcUpdateProposal</a><br>
<br>
<br>
(Disclaimer:=C2=A0 I didn't have internet access (or a computer) during=
the<br>
"golden age" of Gopher, I'm not a frequent user of Gopher, ne=
ither do<br>
I actively run a Gopher server.=C2=A0 However I did read Gopher's histo=
ry,<br>
and early web, and followed this mailing list since a few years back.<br>
Moreover I just wrote a Go-based Gopher server, soon to be released,<br>
and I do have a computer-science / research background.)<br>
<br>
<br>
Regarding the text format of the proposal, I think it's quite hard to<b=
r>
follow, especially in the EtherPad coloured version.=C2=A0 Perhaps the<br>
document can easily be changed to use RestructuredText, and then<br>
exported to HTML for readability.=C2=A0 Moreover the sections (and / or<br>
actual paragraphs) could be numbered to allow referencing to them<br>
while commenting (without modifying the actual text).=C2=A0 (Obviously when=
<br>
removing an entire paragraph its identifier should not be reused.)<br>
<br>
Regarding the "workflow", perhaps using a versioning system like =
Git<br>
or Mercurial would work better as the editors would have access to<br>
proper diffs, history, and especially merges.=C2=A0 Moreover using<br>
something like GitHub or BitBucket allows both "on-line" editing =
and<br>
automatic rendering (of RestrucutredText) as HTML for reading.<br>
<br>
(I could offer to solve the last two problems of formatting to<br>
RestructuredText, splitting the text into one file per section, and<br>
preparing a Git repository, plus the needed Make script to export the<br>
document as HTML.)<br>
<br>
Hope it helps,<br>
Ciprian.<br>
<div><div><br>
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