The most computer-oriented person I found was a gamer, who games every single second they are not unconscious or dragging themselves out of bed and to their retail job. Not serious gaming though- just playing whatever they heard is fashionable, by themselves. They thought they were A Computer Person in high school, until as an adult they were put through Web Design Product Training (For Free, meaning the money went directly from NZ's ministry of social development to the Training Business with no input or opinion from them). Now they say they Are Not A Computer Person, and have no way of getting those years of their life back, and worse society acts like the tax money that was given to the Training Business in their name had been given to them. They use the computer every day to play games, but they don't Use The Climate- what would that even mean. Another person was a first generation migrant from a country whose high school diplomas are not recognised by New Zealand. They were forced ("required") to do New Zealand high school through adult remedial classes (For Free, meaning the money went directly from NZ's ministry of social development to the Training Business with no input or opinion from them). This person's brilliance shines like the sun, and their English is far above average in New Zealand. They seem to have developed a tic of simplifying and carefully explaining anything they say so they can't be easily dismissed as being from a country without even high school education. (This is quite nice to listen to actually). They enrolled in the only real-university (in some sense) program that accepted their adult NZ High School qualification. Of Course they never hear about what technical people like university teachers think on modern issues- that's normal. And there is no way to communicate ideas in the other direction either. That's just normal. I guess this person is climbing a decades long path from being an adult migrant from a relatively poor country through a few decades of mixed retail and Free and Student Loan education towards getting to the aspirational university teacher class of NZ society. Another person. Climate- shouldn't you be asking an... Officer? A climate... Officer? Seemed like a conversational dead end here, until they kindly volunteered How They Just Waste Time when they are not at their retail job. They showed me photos of the lego world they had assembled with lego trains winding past clearly careful urban planning of lego buildings. (Plus one for trains as public transit!) Here I tried analogising computer software and lego, but they remained adamant that the lego photos they were showing me were not what people were talking about when they talked about computer stuff. If I wanted to talk about computer stuff, they recommended their friend (the gamer above). Another person. This person only used their iPhone to TikTok. Maybe an AI would be better at doing their weekly rostering, but they would need to set up a microphone to talk to the AI, install some AI software, and learn how to get an AI to compute a weekly work roster for them... So the roster is going to continue being done completely by hand in Microsoft Excel as it has always been. They aren't going to become an expert at AI. No, no opinions on the climate. Well sure, paper straws, and customers hate the paper straws. And paper bags, and bamboo disposable forks. Those were expensive, and government requirements, and the government doesn't help pay for them. It seems like it's just about raising a new tax, and that tax money just vanishes into government employees. Even if you do really good- it's like a class. Maybe some students try hard and do everything right, but not everyone is, and some are going to break the rules badly no matter how good the good students are. It's like that with countries and the climate. So it is very discouraging to try and do the right thing for the environment. And blaming bad weather on not using bamboo takeaway forks- yeah right, pull the other one.