Re: Gopher Archives (zaibatsu), 10/30/2019 ------------------------------------------------------------ Multiple people have responded[1..4] to solderpunk's great post about archiving gopher content[5]. Here are a few additional thoughts, and a brief experience or two: - I'm partial to the idea that this earth is entirely impermanent in every possible way. My teen years in Oregon cemented the notion, as I watched simple blackberries climb up and tear down old farm buildings, and even a steel silo, on our property. Nothing lasts forever, why should gopher content? - Archive.org is awesome, and I use it all the time. Being a retro computing hobbyist, I frequently find links that no longer work; and frequently, archive.org brings them back for one more hoorah. Even so, I haven't always played nicely with archive.org. Once, I wanted a few things to be forgotten, for various personal reasons. I took my sites down, then contacted archive.org to have my content scrubbed (I should have done that in the reverse order, to make proving ownership easier). The process wasn't painless, but it was fairly effective. I appreciate that they were willing to work with me on my wishes for my content. - The "individual archivist" is an awesome idea. If you like it, and want to keep it, then keep it. Gopher supports this rather well, and the kind of client that solderpunk describes would be simple enough. An exceptional solution; the only question would arise when someone wanted to share their archive. As for my content, like conman[4], everything I put "online" in any form, I consider public. Not that it's not mine, but that everyone can see it, save it, share it, comment on it, abuse it, hit me over the head with it- not that they should do any of these things, but that they can do them if they choose to. One last rant, on gopher->http proxies: I can't stand these, because of the rate at which Google picks them up. I realize they're a potential gateway for new readers/users on gopher, but I just can't stand them. And yet, there's really not a whole lot that I am willing and able to do about it. Life goes on, and I don't lose any sleep over it. Gopher is still awesome. [1] gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/gallowsgryph/phlog/2019-10-29_archives.txt [2] gopher://sdf.org/1/users/sysdharma/phlog/./2019.10.28 [3] gopher://zaibatsu.circumlunar.space/0/%7eyargo/clog/xu-gopher-archive-civil-rights.txt [4] gopher://gopher.conman.org:70/0Phlog:2019/10/29.2 [5] gopher://zaibatsu.circumlunar.space:70/0/~solderpunk/phlog/the-individual-archivist-and-ghosts-of-gophers-past.txt